tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post7861685643199186663..comments2024-03-27T06:56:10.255+00:00Comments on Broad Oak Magazine: Drugs: et tu, "Brute"?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-57669822586516963832012-03-13T06:50:57.198+00:002012-03-13T06:50:57.198+00:00Prisons? A whole can of worms there. If I had my d...Prisons? A whole can of worms there. If I had my druthers there'd be more jails and fewer slaps on the wrist (until criminals got the message, then I'd expect a decline in the prison population) - but I'd also see an end to theft, bullying and buggery in jail, none of which are judicial punishments.<br /><br />I'd see jail as (a) a deterrent, (b) punishment - in terms solely of loss of liberty, (c) protection for society by segregating its tormentors, (d) a place where criminals can be taught to read, given employable skills, offered counselling, shown better patterns of behaviour and emotional control, and given a safe haven away from drink, drugs etc that confirm and exacerbate their self-destructive tendencies.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-83930333588632706132012-03-13T01:45:42.358+00:002012-03-13T01:45:42.358+00:00The drug business corrupts everything. We can'...The drug business corrupts everything. We can't even keep the filthy stuff out of prisons. It must surely be worth abandoning prohibition.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-42647571732208513232012-03-08T14:47:05.523+00:002012-03-08T14:47:05.523+00:00It wasn't just methadone. They also worked wit...It wasn't just methadone. They also worked with cocaine addicts in Liverpool. I watched a '60 minutes' piece on it, which was largely positive. They also discussed the Zurich model. Regardless of my personal feeling (I have seen too many people who have destroyed their lives, and my wife, a nurse, sees even more), the US' 'War on Drugs' is a monumental failure, generating murders and mistaken police killings, and massive corruption here and in Mexico.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-90723988111525775002012-03-07T15:16:14.139+00:002012-03-07T15:16:14.139+00:00Daniels does touch on the Zurich example, contrast...Daniels does touch on the Zurich example, contrasting it with the free methadone system in Liverpool. I'm not sure how well Switzerland can perform as a typical example; it's seems to be a much more (self?) controlled society - we visited Zurich a few weeks ago. <br /><br />Maybe things have changed in the 15years since Daniels wrote, but although I have referenced his article a number of times nobody seems to have read the mere 4,500 words he wrote, whereas many seem to have been prepared to read Verity's 15,000 argument in favour.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-55627473162676836442012-03-07T14:54:29.127+00:002012-03-07T14:54:29.127+00:00I thought that I did. With the experiments I cited...I thought that I did. With the experiments I cited: they were cheap; crime went down, as users no longer had to steal to support their habit; many users were able to get useful jobs on maintenance doses; they were made to take blood tests and use the stuff on-site to prevent resale; pushers moved away.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-64113545438864061272012-03-06T19:59:06.053+00:002012-03-06T19:59:06.053+00:00So, still no takers for the simple challenge.So, still no takers for the simple challenge.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-36950290734879187262012-03-06T19:07:47.447+00:002012-03-06T19:07:47.447+00:00The question's not why decriminalization but w...The question's not why decriminalization but why criminalization in the first place? The science on it has been shown to be about as good as an NPCC scientists.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-20395293521253393812012-03-05T13:51:33.536+00:002012-03-05T13:51:33.536+00:00I would argue that the evidence is quite good from...I would argue that the evidence is quite good from the experiments in Liverpool and Zurich.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-15214760134146295812012-03-04T15:06:29.252+00:002012-03-04T15:06:29.252+00:00Just asking people to actually look at the argumen...Just asking people to actually look at the arguments. Why doesn't anyone follow through? I've given the link to my earlier post from 2009 where Daniels' article is reproduced in full.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-13116337882570530242012-03-04T13:26:09.926+00:002012-03-04T13:26:09.926+00:00whats wrong with whacky baccy???whats wrong with whacky baccy???Captain Rantyhttp://captainranty.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com