tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post4630979780762349591..comments2024-03-27T06:56:10.255+00:00Comments on Broad Oak Magazine: Are 'fact-checkers' biased? Sackerson's latest on The Conservative WomanUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-76069093129277866752020-12-05T14:49:11.749+00:002020-12-05T14:49:11.749+00:00That turns out to be the issue in Georgia, where B...That turns out to be the issue in Georgia, where Biden won the vote thanks to a significantly increased Black vote. In the South, there are lots of 'legal' efforts to suppress that vote.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-72018663659655212912020-12-05T14:47:47.500+00:002020-12-05T14:47:47.500+00:00Now, we agree.
Racism is far more an issue in the...Now, we agree.<br /><br />Racism is far more an issue in the US than the UK, with a very ugly history, even to the present day.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-63034109787649463802020-12-05T08:05:57.485+00:002020-12-05T08:05:57.485+00:00So, not party political but good ol' racism an...So, not party political but good ol' racism and bigotry. Needs more than protests - in fact other than protests, which often get commandeered by would-be revolutionaries. <br /><br />The Federal Government needs a program to review the recruitment and selection of police, monitoring, review of allegations of unlawful wounding and killing, and sackings, prosecution and punishment as appropriate.<br /><br />And, of course, rigorous pursuit of civilian offenders.<br /><br />It's not smash the system, it's make the system work.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-6521502525213723352020-12-04T17:18:28.291+00:002020-12-04T17:18:28.291+00:00This is measured as acts of violence not protests ...This is measured as acts of violence not protests - murders of minorities and gays, for example. If I recall, there have been 9 attacks (mostly arson) of black churches in the past decade alone. The latter have been relatively common since 1865, along with lynchings and other attacks on minorities. As in the old apartheid South Africa, these are mentioned and forgotten, but protests of them are regarded with horror.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-37027814436687236422020-12-04T08:19:15.263+00:002020-12-04T08:19:15.263+00:00I still don't jump to your conclusions, even t...I still don't jump to your conclusions, even though you may turn out to be entirely correct. I have that luxury because I don't live there, of course.<br /><br />1. Defined and counted how? What we saw with CHAZ/CHOP and disturbances in other cities was very troubling, especially because of the authorities' apparent reluctance to act. But it didn't seem to be right-wingers.<br /><br />2. Still doubts about vulernabilities - my TCW piece links studies in the UK. Maybe fine in some areas and not others.<br /><br />3. If no evidence, that is about to become clear as the courts address the claims. The Epoch Times, a non-aligned outfit, reports ongoing developments.<br /><br />4. As 3 above. <br /><br />A major issue highlighted by all this is how partisan behaviour by the Fourth Estate, Facebook, Twitter etc has eroded public trust in the media, so that we see Crucible-type wild accusations and hysteria. Russiagate didn't help.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-22874423320051294792020-12-03T23:29:21.291+00:002020-12-03T23:29:21.291+00:00And you still don't get it.
1. The FBI's ...And you still don't get it.<br /><br />1. The FBI's own figures show that most political violence in the US is right wing. That is a fact, like it or not.<br /><br />2. The absentee ballots appear to be perfectly in order. In fact, 5 states use mail ballots exclusively. Hundreds of thousands of election officials of both major parties have certified them.<br /><br />3. Every major claim appears to be produced from thin air. Again, where is the evidence.<br /><br />4. No. Another lie.<br /><br />It isn't an issue for judges unless you have evidence. Why is that so hard to understand? We are at the point when Trump lawyers are going to get sanctioned for wasting time.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the President is calling state officials in several states, demanding that they arbitrarily overturn election results which have already been certified.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-91875993754764870372020-12-03T18:49:29.221+00:002020-12-03T18:49:29.221+00:001. I don't know. I've given up watching th...1. I don't know. I've given up watching the news, and we only get the Daily Mail for the crossword. Your example proves it's all right-wing apes, eh?<br /><br />2. Absentee ballots - are in question for the courts etc to decide.<br /><br />3. OK, good for Georgia. At this distance I can't tell truth from lies.<br /><br />4. Don't know. Weren't masses of the disputed ballots only voting for Biden and nothing else?<br /><br />Trump is Satan, vote God? Or, shall we leave it to proper judges and not bent fact-checkers and partisan MSM? (Btw do the MSM have to TELL us that riotous behaviour is 'shocking'?)Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-32750113969747979162020-12-03T17:18:59.477+00:002020-12-03T17:18:59.477+00:00I'm sorry. Did the UK news not report a parade...I'm sorry. Did the UK news not report a parade of trucks with Trump flags firing paintballs and possibly pepper balls while driving into protesting crowds? https://thegailygrind.com/2020/08/31/shocking-video-shows-trump-supporters-driving-into-crowds-firing-paintball-guns-at-protesters-in-portland-watch/<br /><br />As for election processes, most states require ID to vote in person, and absentee ballots are carefully coded. Signatures on the outside envelopes must match those on file. Interestingly, those rejected are overwhelmingly in Democratic districts in the South.<br /><br />As for claiming electronic tomfoolery, the recounts in Georgia counties (one state in which they are making this claim) were done by hand, and matched the electronic numbers.<br /><br />Finally, there is a positive piece of evidence in the other direction: The GOP gained House seats and other down-ballot votes. Surely, rigging by the Democrats would have done something about that?Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-86025140124439263222020-12-03T16:57:20.691+00:002020-12-03T16:57:20.691+00:00I'm not a fan of Christopher Hitchens, who cou...I'm not a fan of Christopher Hitchens, who could be a bit slippery - his denial of having said he looked forward to the day when the Red Army watered its horses in the Thames was not supported by his brother and caused a permanent rift. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/may/31/hayfestival2005.guardianhayfestival3<br /><br />There may well be those right wing groups, fortunately I don't live there; but the actual rioting we have seen has been from - if not Biden supporters, then certainly not Trump's lot. If the latter are ignorant hicks, maybe that's a consequence of the way such a large propotion of the US population has been hicked, same as the working class Brexiteers who are mocked by the left-superior Eurofans for their alleged stupdity and ignorance. If being economically crushed produced pure and noble creatures then we should wish it for everyone.<br /><br />I see no reason why there should not have been fraud - the opportunities are too many and varied, and as I said in my TCW piece the vulnerabilities in the UK system have long been worry. The question is the scale and whether there was more on one side than the other. Political and electoral corruption are hardly new - Tammany Hall etc.<br /><br />The flames have been fanned so assiduously that one side can see all Trump's faults - a blind man could see them - and yet it cannot see a similarly sleazy, neocon brown-person-bomber on the other podium.<br /><br />I freely accept what you say about the GOP generally - ghastly money-worshippers - but I do think the Left in the US - and by UK standards they're more like our Conservatives - have a similar mindset to Labour here: 'we stand for the Good so anything goes in our pursuit of the Millenium.' We got Blair and his miserable blackmailer and bully Campbell.<br /><br />Maybe, as I say in the comments over on TCW, the US should have compulsory voting - properly bloody checked, please, That should drag the GOP back towards the centre and maybe liberate many of the Dem's slaves - see Candace Owens on the Dems' debilitating hold over its black voter segment and her call for 'Blexit' from the party. Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-40194201559705277582020-12-03T16:31:03.899+00:002020-12-03T16:31:03.899+00:00If you want to maintain a cool head, then remember...If you want to maintain a cool head, then remember another basic idea, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."<br /><br />To claim fraud which alters the results in all of the states that Trump didn't win is crazy, pure and simple. No evidence has been presented, and people like Giuliani have been very careful not to pretend in court. These are stunts, pure and simple.<br /><br />Sadly, there a large number of right wing groups that are just itching to use their stored weapons to go to the cities and kill liberals and non-white people. Despite claims of left-wing problems, the FBI statistics show that something like 90% of the political violence in this country is by right wing groups.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-86118434055208241002020-12-03T16:03:34.783+00:002020-12-03T16:03:34.783+00:00I agree that it's all emotionally overheated -...I agree that it's all emotionally overheated - both sides (e.g. the Wokester anarchy in Seattle was jaw-dropping, it was 1968 with fried brains.) The country has been driven nuts. <br /><br />Either the institutions - esp. the courts, but for goodness' sake the Fourth Estate needs to pull up its socks - succeed or the nation fails. This why cool heads and fidelity to the truth are vital.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-38481324923765196292020-12-03T12:22:35.513+00:002020-12-03T12:22:35.513+00:00The officials literally can't find evidence. T...The officials literally can't find evidence. They have found minor irregularities on both sides, as in Wayne County, Michigan, but nothing large.<br /><br />Over the past 20 years or so, there have been repeated claims by the GOP that the Democrats were having illegal immigrants vote, and other malfeasance. On serious and expensive investigation, the majority of fraud cases turned out to be GOP ones. Trump formed a commission on the subject in 2017, which quietly disbanded when they couldn't find evidence.<br /><br />Our elections are reasonably secure, yet Trump and his allies are claiming massive undetectable fraud, and have been, since the primaries in March. Now, he is claiming to have won California!<br /><br />This is the insanity of a cult, and I fear the worst.Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-64336093720026631372020-12-03T11:31:44.141+00:002020-12-03T11:31:44.141+00:00More on Candace and Paul Joseph Watson's exper...More on Candace and Paul Joseph Watson's experiences of fact-checking the fact-checkers - and the lawyers are getting involved:<br /><br />https://summit.news/2020/12/02/candace-owens-is-suing-the-fact-checkers/Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-50346213929103117052020-12-03T10:38:20.197+00:002020-12-03T10:38:20.197+00:00It's not quite over yet:
https://www.express....It's not quite over yet:<br /><br />https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1367222/Joe-Biden-news-election-2020-latest-Donald-Trump-democrats-fraud-claim/amp<br /><br />https://www.theepochtimes.com/<br /><br />I don't think there is 'no' evidence, The term 'widespread' is fuzzy but it may turn out that such malfeasance as there likely was (when was an election ever completely free of it?), was insufficient to alter the true result; or the evidence is unobtainable, in the case of alleged voter machine tampering. Or there is enough evidence, and then Biden may stop appealing to his supporters for calm; after all, Hillary has played the woman wronged for four years.<br /><br />Again this is not about whether Biden is a better man than Trump, or even whether the Dem program is better than the GOP's. I think they're all more or less disastrous and the people's ignorance and excitability is being used against them by both sides. The chances of systemic solutions to systemic problems seem slim. <br /><br />American foreign policy, now there's something where there's blue water between Trump and Biden - and the GOP Establishment. What a golden opportunity did Obama have when first elected: he could have reinstated Glass-Steagall, put banksters on trial and halted Bush's wars. Instead the PTB grudgingly let him have the ACA knowing they could bugger it up at leisure.<br /><br />I just don't like referees who make themselves part of the game. Here's another example - Candace Owens vs Politifact and FB 'factcheckers' on Biden not being the President-elect:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FyvDyfacZY&feature=youtu.beSackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5524682876220396502.post-88878144071613032272020-12-02T19:38:19.458+00:002020-12-02T19:38:19.458+00:00Let's see:
There are lots of claims of voter ...Let's see:<br /><br />There are lots of claims of voter fraud out there, but<br /><br />1. The Attorney General, William Barr, who has perverted the Constitution for Trump, can't find it.<br />2. The head of the cyber-security group formed by Trump can't find it.<br />3. Rudy Giuliani can't find it when in court, but claims widespread fraud in public.<br />4. The Lt. Gov. of Texas has offered $1 million in cash for actual evidence, with no takers.<br /><br />"That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."Paddingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07952088638231881617noreply@blogger.com